In this heartfelt episode of The Bridge, Cate sits down with longtime friends and collaborators Erika Sandstrom (Green Screen Gal) and Barbara Bray to explore how joy, mindfulness, and authentic connection sustain educators. The two share stories of laughter-filled projects—from green-screen summits and mindful media lessons to spontaneous dance parties—that grew into a deep friendship rooted in creativity and compassion. Erika reflects on helping students self-regulate and find peace through her “breathing bubbles,” while Barbara shares how storytelling and mentorship help teachers rediscover their purpose. Together, they celebrate the healing power of joy, community, and vulnerability in education. This conversation is a warm reminder that when educators lift one another up, everyone’s light shines a little brighter.
Barbara Bray is a creative learning strategist and “Story Weaver” whose work has shaped personalized learning for over two decades. A true digital pioneer, she launched My eCoach in 1999—long before social media—to provide coaching processes adopted by schools worldwide for 23 years. She coined and trademarked “Making Learning Personal” (2000/2002), began blogging in 2004 (moving to barbarabray.net in 2009), and co-founded Personalize Learning, LLC in 2013 with Kathleen McClaskey, co-authoring two influential books that helped educators build learner-centered environments where agency thrives.
Inspired by a 2017 professional learning tour in New Zealand, Barbara created the Rethinking Learning podcast to capture stories of purpose and practice—now 178+ episodes strong—along with reflections on mental health, belonging, and empathy. She authored Define Your WHY (2020), expanded coaching through the pandemic, co-hosted “Real Talk with Barbara and Nicole” (2023), and self-published Grow Your Why… One Story at a Time (2024), launching Why Press Publishing to support emerging authors, podcasters, and speakers. Today, Barbara continues to write, coach, and connect—helping people of all ages define and grow their WHY so they can live and learn on purpose.
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Erika Sandstrom is a Digital Learning Coach and Digital Media Teacher grades 6-8 specializing in Green Screen and Video Production. In her 35th year, with additional experience teaching grades 3-6, she created and presented Mindfulness Professional Development globally, founded @ClubMindful, and serves as a leader for her District’s SEL Team. Her passion is to help educators, students and parents globally through a movement called #MyBreathingBubble which educates others on how to create a personalized breathing bubble to incorporate Mindfulness into everyday tasks and beyond!
Dubbed “Green Screen Gal”, Erika shares her passions as a featured and keynote speaker at conferences, through professional development, online webinars and courses. She has hosted LIVE webinars for Wakelet, WeVideo, Adobe, and presented in educational summits, podcasts, as well as Climate Action Day. Erika also created and co-hosted the 2nd annual Green Screen Summit and was featured on the cover of the Ed Tech K12 Magazine., and named one of TOP 30 IT Influencers to follow. Erika’s dream is to help others harness the power of balancing their MIND, BODY and SPIRITS in creative ways!
🔗 Erika’s Doc with all the links!
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Pictures, pictures, and more pictures of these ladies!
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: All right.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Thank you, Erika and Barbara for being on The Bridge. I was sharing before we started, I was sharing, with Barbara. Erika, I was sharing with Barbara like that this is my, this is my love letter to educators and and it's an honor that my friends, That I have had the pleasure of knowing for years and that have no, that also have really special relationships with each other. This is an opportunity for you all to tell that story of connection because I feel like, educators would benefit from hearing, and being reminded that we're not alone.
That that these relationships, That these are lifelines for us and we don't always notice them when they're around us. And sometimes we do, but I think that at the end of the day, just remembering that we're all here and that there are other people that are caring about educators right now, like you two are, matters.
So that's what the bridge is all about. And I think, if you don't mind, I like your bios will be in the show notes, Feel free to introduce yourself, but then also tell me how the heck you know each other and how this friendship and relationship came to be.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You go first, Barbara?
Barbara Bray (she/her): Oh, come first. trying to remember when we met first. I really can't
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I, think.
Barbara Bray (she/her): like I've known you forever
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know. I think the actual first time in person, there's a first time online, which is, we met online and did a bunch, but I think it was your, I think it was iste. During COVID when we, when you had the huge breakfast.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Oh, that was 22. No, it was before that. I knew
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh, wait a minute.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I knew you way before that. Is that the first time we met in person?
Oh, no. I went to dinner with you in a different city. And we were with Chris and Evo, and that was the first time I walked in New Orleans and I met to meet you guys. Yeah,
Barbara Bray (she/her): so Evo.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I guess we didn't introduce ourselves.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah, VO Hannon and I were planning on doing, this is before COVID, we were going to have a tour of, the United States and stay at my house and have, these are all things, and Chris and I, don't know if Erika, you were part of that right in the beginning, but Eva goes April.
2020, your house in the garden and I'm going, yes. Yes. And then COVID.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes.
Barbara Bray (she/her): So we met somehow after that. I think it was 2021
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: 2021
Barbara Bray (she/her): were at Isti
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: in Orleans. It was my first one.
Barbara Bray (she/her): no, it
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): before New Orleans.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Okay.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Should we introduce ourselves? I'm sorry. Wait, just Hey Barbara, you go.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Do I have to introduce myself? I'm Barbara.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): You can
other.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I know
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh no. I'm gonna do a horrible job. Go ahead. She's too cool. I can't do that to her.
Barbara Bray (she/her): cool. I am. I'm just very old. I could be there.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Stop it. Stop it.
Barbara Bray (she/her): this for a long, time and I, love the. I love educators. I've been working with educators since, gosh, the eighties,
maybe longer. Anyway, but my thing is to showcase them and so I love the story. So I started a podcast in 2017, and guess what? Both of them are on my show.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): We have to put links to those episodes in your show
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): show notes.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Abso. I think I was in, was I on twice? Oh wait, maybe.
Barbara Bray (she/her): No,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I can't remember.
Barbara Bray (she/her): you and I were on other things.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh yeah, we've been on a lot.
Barbara Bray (she/her): things.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: It's so much.
Barbara Bray (she/her): many, But, Cate and I think was before yours, so I just wanna let you know I've known Cate a long time
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I love that.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): at the Digital Badge Summit. But there, the thing I love is, I love to write. So I have four books and my last one is Grow Your Why and Erika wrote chapter 11
Cate Tolnai (she/her): special. I didn't realize that.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yes, and I put in a promo that Erika made for me,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes.
Barbara Bray (she/her): so maybe we can even put that in. It
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): the thing that I, when I first met Erika, I went, I have ADD, I haven't met anyone else like me like that who has actually has more
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Has more of it. Yes, I get all of it
Barbara Bray (she/her): But it was so cool to be with her because like I would talk and then she would talk and then we'd go back and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: at the same time. I heard everything
Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's amazing. Oh my God.
Barbara Bray (she/her): and that's, it was just the. as soon as I met Erika, we knew that we were just gonna connect and do things. And when I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: did.
Barbara Bray (she/her): wanna learn green skiing screen, that's when we did the, cups, and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): that one up. But when she, had me set it up in my living room, I'm just gonna tell the story real quick. She had me set up in the living room and then she said, all you have to do is roll your chair across. And I kept rolling and then falling. And
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I go, it's the funniest day of my life. She.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Stop it. the fun thing is that we could do that. We could let, and then she showed me how to walk through like the camera, and I kept falling.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh my goodness.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I should, I'm Erika Sandstrom, known as, let's just start in the beginning. As Green Screen Gal. I'm known for, Mindful Media and a lot of humor in my media just because joy, I think is the key to really healthy humans. And to gratitude and all the beautiful things that we can have. But, and I'm known for my breathing bubbles, which we'll talk about later, but I'm very excited.
But Barbara, what, Barbara's talking about is from, I ran a summit for two years during COVID called, not just a Green Screen Summit. And we had over 30 percenters, two years in a row. And yeah, it's funny 'cause a lot of people don't know that, it's still on my website, but, I just, everyone's like, when's it coming back?
Manny was my co-host the first year, and Tricia Fugelson
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Stop
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: But this one, and I, think we did it for something else. I wanted to us in Boston and she's in California to roll our chairs in and have coffee mugs and come out in the middle and clank them, as you saw. So that's what she's talking about.
She was flying by the camera and flying over here and I just couldn't stop laughing. The outtakes are incredible. I'm gonna repost those.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): is
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Those are coming.
Barbara Bray (she/her): were better,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: they're coming back. I gotta dig for that. That's fantastic. yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): fun. the thing that I love is that, we realize that you need to fail.
Then you learn and then you giggle and you laugh and you show it to the kids and they get, taught so much before I even know both of you was a, I did workshops called Joy in Learning
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You did it all before. We all did it.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah. Long ago before there was all this fancy tech and AI and everything, which I love. And what I've found is you find your. It's almost like a sister, you find the people who believe, like you do,
in education, teachers are amazing and they don't get a chance to do those things.
So we show 'em just these little ways and Erika just opens the door, but so do actually, so does Cate.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes. No. This is the three powerful, women here. But no, Barbara. Yeah, Barbara and I have done a lot together. We've done, I have it all written down, it's just, there's so much in, and I've known that we did a lot together, but when I actually went to dig deep for it, for this podcast, I was blown away.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): what
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): us what do you got?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: all right. Let's see. 2022, 2021 or whatever year, 2023. Got a green screen summit, rethink, did it twice. 2023, rethinking Learning podcast. We did a cultivate compassion. We did a real, that was where the, video came in. south by Southwest was a fun one. I was on the panel with Guy Kawasaki and she's a fan.
So we, they got to meet and then we went to, was it Alan's boot shop with him and,
Barbara Bray (she/her): Can we say why?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): he wanted some ostrich boots and Erika was his friend and he, and she goes, could I bring a few friends? Next thing we get a
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I didn't ask.
Barbara Bray (she/her): wait a minute. All of us showed up. There was like eight of us, but there wasn't any room for Erika car.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Gosh.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I gotta get a different Uber and guy's and guy, guy's deaf. So he didn't know what was going on. He was like. Waving at me going, what's happening? What happened was he invited me to go boot shopping because he wanted to bond with me. I didn't really, I asked forgiveness, but I only invited you and Jerry, and then other people oh, where you guys going?
But it was, that was the best part is you all get in this giant Uber and Erika's standing on the sidewalk, and there they go. I'm like,
Barbara Bray (she/her): went, wait a minute, what about Erika? like that. And
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Jerry's husband jumps out and he goes with me. But it turned into a bunch of people and send the pictures.
Barbara Bray (she/her): so hard because
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: He gives me, trouble for that. But he loved it 'cause he said he had his golden girls. He called us all his golden girls
Cate Tolnai (she/her): gosh.
Barbara Bray (she/her): guy
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: at guy's a hoot.
Barbara Bray (she/her): stuff. We're trying on hats and we had to,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: He bought me a hat. I know he is. He is amazing.
Barbara Bray (she/her): and then,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Good guy.
Barbara Bray (she/her): we actually,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: intended.
Barbara Bray (she/her): of all of us that she put in there too, and I put a video of,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): my gosh,
Barbara Bray (she/her): I put a video of Erika that she was to the, there's like squirrels in the back.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I think that's my profile picture on my Facebook right now. I haven't changed it. My mother's horrified. She's
Barbara Bray (she/her): but
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: actually, no, my dad, not my mom.
Barbara Bray (she/her): but the best thing is that, I'm really friends with Guy now. What can I say after all that?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: He ended up being a keynote for Jen Womble was there, and, Jerry's, Jerry Kimball was there. It was like all these amazing educators were with Guy and it's turned into so much more since then. Everything has, you and I we're roommates. Now we're doing tiktoks together, we room together.
Barbara Bray (she/her): we did? We
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: That's in.
Barbara Bray (she/her): up. It is in the folder. there's a TikTok. Michael Wesley had said, I showed up after, we live in
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You feel like you've lost control of us already?
Sorry.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Okay.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I would have it. This is
Barbara Bray (she/her): So Cate. So Cate, I come in from, from California into, and, they go I'm in the, with them.
There's four of us in the condo and they go, okay, we're gonna make a TikTok. And I go, I can't even see. I'm so tired. And then next thing, we're up all night and then we're in the bed editing upside
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know
Barbara Bray (she/her): I never laughed so hard.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: it was, I walked through the door and you're all laying on top of furniture with the song plane ready to go, and I'm, and I, one of the girls I just met, you had just met the two of them. They found you at the airport, but you, she just trusted me. I'm like, just trust me, Barbara. They'll pick you up.
They got you. They know who you are. You're a legend. They know who you are.
Barbara Bray (she/her): actually, Michael and I are just, we
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Now I know he, I'm a little, I got a little FOMO there. He's been calling you more than me.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh
Barbara Bray (she/her): I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. Michael calls you now. You can't steal him from me. I'm just kidding. You can have him. You can have him
Barbara Bray (she/her): happens is you introduce other pe I put on a, with my friend Eileen Winker, I put on
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: love her.
Barbara Bray (she/her): breakfast, people showed
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): were both
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I was, yes, that's where I met you too. That was the first time I met you. We were both there. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): you, I don't think we can ever do that again. That was just wild and it.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: There was a picture in the folder of it.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I know I that's, we had fun doing it and we got sponsors.
It was great, but it still was expensive.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): And, but I have to tell you, I, I love doing, I used to do breakfast. Every isty. Every isty I would do 'em. but this one was the best and I just can't do it anymore with that.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Let somebody else do it.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): the torch, right?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Let somebody else do it, Barbara, honestly. And okay, so what else have we were in? Grow your why. Oh, the book. The book. And then FETC. We did a session that was a powerful session. And, ISTE as well, with Barbara and I and Jerry do a session called Be Rock Star. Yeah, become your own rockstar.
Barbara Bray (she/her): that says I may be old, but I saw the, I was able to see all the cool bands, and it's true,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh yeah, we all have wigs on and the three of us, and we're fif, I'm in my fif
Barbara Bray (she/her): wig. She had a
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: sixties, seventies, we,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I did see that on socials. You posted that. That was so cute.
Barbara Bray (she/her): oh God. I was
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: it was
Barbara Bray (she/her): silly. I can't
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: why
Barbara Bray (she/her): it.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: it was so moving just to be with these two women that I have fangirled for years, both of them and the three of us, and it was, it's such a, I think that workshop needs to go on the road somehow. it is powerful. It's all mindfulness stuff.
Barbara Bray (she/her): and Jerry. Much taller than me. I'm five one
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You are
Barbara Bray (she/her): I,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: my little friend.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I kind of sneak in between 'em,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's so
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You have to find that, find that picture where I have my arm around you and I gave you that shawl. So put that in folder. 'cause it's just, somebody caught it. Of the two of us just hugging each other. And
Barbara Bray (she/her): We're
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Barbara's family to me. I we have become such family and, yeah, we're well beyond just educator friends that work together.
We, we are, a true family.
Yeah. She met my parents. Yeah,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): do you think
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): all like that besides beautiful, divergent brains, like
Barbara Bray (she/her): the breeded, beautiful. Divergent brains.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): what it
Barbara Bray (she/her): That's
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Two squirrels in a cage. We were having fun.
Barbara Bray (she/her): different. say something, I'll say something and we're, sometimes we are like, say the same thing. We're just, and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: ourselves too. We're a bit terrible, but that's part of a DHD, it's just, I don't know. It's Barbara Bray, I, she's just such a, such an amazing human in front and her my favorite thing.
Barbara Bray (she/her): say,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: No, but seriously, dude, we've been through stuff like you're going through stuff, but the best thing Barbara does, it's not even on this list, is she throws dance parties on Zoom during COVI
Barbara Bray (she/her): one.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: them still where people show up and we dance.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Cate, did you ever come to my dance
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh, these dance, like she's a dancer. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I was, that's what I was gonna do for a living instead. But
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that's
Barbara Bray (she/her): you know that once? I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. It is.
Barbara Bray (she/her): never told Erika this. When I lived back east, I was a dancer and I tried out for one of the beach blanket,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh,
Barbara Bray (she/her): of those in a bikini
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: God. Oh, she is a haughty too. You should see these pictures. My goodness. Woman, you're
Barbara Bray (she/her): that one. Don't you ever show
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know. I won't ever show that one. I know. I know. That's what happens in this condo, stays in this condo. I know. I remember.
Barbara Bray (she/her): him a picture and then Jerry goes, we should make t-shirts with that one.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh, I know. She's so hot.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh my God,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: still is. It's such a great, beautiful picture of this woman. And, but it doesn't surprise me 'cause you're stunning now, it was just, I don't know. So fun. But Barbara, Barbara really supports, my mindfulness movement and mindfulness media. She really,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: latched onto that.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): green screen. Is it connected to green Screen Gal?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yes.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: yes. That's how Green Screen Gal came to be is, EdTech Magazine saw me presenting my, breathing bubbles, and I was on the cover of EdTech going like this
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Y'all
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: with a boa around my neck.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): realize that I am 100% fangirling myself over here. Like I track both of your work.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Really?
Cate Tolnai (she/her): yes.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: maybe
Cate Tolnai (she/her): No.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I'm always shocked to hear that
Cate Tolnai (she/her): It's just
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: but I,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I don't know, fellow disruptors call it that. I just, really appreciate women who step up and take the status quo and go, what if? shake it
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I see
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Shake it up.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that with the work you do and like your energy that you bring Erika and just like your raw, like just. Honest self, like I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): you that well. And I feel like because of how you share, I just feel like you can't be that open and real, and not just genuinely be that person.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: That's me. A hundred percent everything in there. And I it's funny 'cause a lot, if you look at the timestamps in a lot of my posts, it might say 2:00 AM 'cause I'm like, whew, this is so funny. go. And then I'm, next day I'm like, oh,
Barbara Bray (she/her): something about
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: okay.
Barbara Bray (she/her): were working on stuff and I'm 11 o'clock in California and she's still working at two in the morning
Cate Tolnai (she/her): go.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I don't sleep. It's awful. if school was at night, I'd be a good teacher, but I don't know if I'm that good. It's so true. But I, with the breathing bubbles though, like it's not just the breathing bubbles. It,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): What?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: basically the mindful media came from just, I'm just one of those people.
I wanna fix this planet. I think I just came here knowing that, I've dedicated so much. Time to it. Instead of just teaching, just teaching video production, we're gonna do something with it. How can it help somebody? Can it bring joy? Can it bring peace? Can it bring whatever? So that's been my theme.
But the breathing bubbles, what this is, it's a bubble. It's a breathing technique where the bubble grows and you exhale or you inhale. And then you hold and you exhale. And not everybody understands where the breathing bubble is. So I have to remember that, there's square breathing, there's all kinds.
But what happened was I was using these breathing bubbles with my students. And just one day I was like, I wonder if we could personalize these, because the bubble, they weren't connected to the bubble. They just did it because Ms. Strom wanted them to learn self-regulation. And I just know what it does for them, their body.
So we started learning about, it can literally settle your nervous system within one or two minutes, take you outta fight or flight. And now it's like I have the kids breathe. like when you brush your teeth, you don't just breathe when you're stressed. You breathe all the time. But anyway, when we personalize them, I'm like, let's put pictures of our dogs inside the bubble.
Or let's put, us winning or hitting a goal in, field hockey and getting the score. something you're proud of, something that brings you peace, that joy makes you laugh, makes you smile in your bubble. And it's turned into so much more. The kids have now turned the bubbles into basketballs or, All kinds of things. a donut, one of them's a donut, and this kid's dancing in his donut. There's no rules. But that's some, that's my passion is to get this lesson plan out to the world. I've done a lot of it, but it's been, it's been an incredible journey and I hope it, it goes a lot farther because this, these kids, not just the kids, the teachers, if you're not calm, can't,
learn or teach.
I'm sorry,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): you're,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I could go on forever about that.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): right? Erika? You're still with students daily? Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Don't get me wrong. I love them, but I teach middle school. I've been in 35 years. I have been trying to break out into ed Tech, but the thing is, with Green Screen Gals, I'm an app smasher of all the companies and everyone always says, Erika, you sure we could hire you, but we don't see you putting a t-shirt on and just being.
That one thing you need to be green screen gal. So I'm trying to beg Adobe and Canva. I hope they're listening to get a chroma key because, video background, remo
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: the green screen is an experience. This isn't about technology anymore. It's about the kids building confidence and agency and all those things, right?
Barbara? you know what, it's like, how do you feel when you get on a green screen? the kids need it and the director is behind the camera and the kids are doing the equipment and then you can't. If without chroma key, we can't do all our magic. we do this magic and climb out of things and we have the person in the green suit.
Did I sell it? Do you think they'll do it?
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Nice. I get it though. It's like it, and, it reminds me of it going back to the craft of creativity, right? Like I think there's a lot of tools and resources out there that are, that, that make creativity quick and simple. because we wanna scale it. We want every kid to have access to it.
And I think that's amazing. And what I'm hearing you say is There's also power in, in revisiting like almost like the tangible elements of creativity and,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): yourself the space in a different way than just removing the space and fabricating it, right?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: kids are talking and they're, arguing and working it out, and I'm diving in with I statements to, it's such a powerful. Experience that, that's what I feel like my mission on this planet is. It's not only for the mindful media, but to really get green screens in classrooms because these kids are, they're talking again.
They're up, they're playing play.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: knows this play.
Barbara Bray (she/her): gonna jump
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. You jump in. I'll just,
Barbara Bray (she/her): I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I need to stop.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): No, you
Barbara Bray (she/her): my thing. wish I had a million dollars for one reason is that I could manage Erika so she could do this across the world. And see, the hardest part for me is that I've been a consultant for a long time I, pushed myself, tried. I had. ego, I dunno if you remember that, but a long time ago. I've done a lot of things, but it is not easy to get out there on your own and thinking you have to work with a
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): that puts a label on it and it's not your label.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I tell, I work with a lot of people now. I'm coaching a lot of educators to say, don't give up your. Day job, but go ahead and do the things you love as much as you can and start letting go. Letting go a little bit here and a little bit there, because I see Erika going out and doing keynotes and doing
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh, thank you.
Barbara Bray (she/her): things like that.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Thank you.
Barbara Bray (she/her): it's hard. It's nice that you have your classes that you could use as examples
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I can't find kids. Don't worry.
Barbara Bray (she/her): No, but I think the
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I work at the TV station. Yeah, I could do both. I think, not full-time teaching though. It's too, hard to get out to go to conferences. I did get to do a couple keynotes last year, which was
Cate Tolnai (she/her): really
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: huge for me, but I, they, limit how much time I can be out and, it's.
It's stressful because I just got invited to do a featured speaker in Hawaii, and
Cate Tolnai (she/her): excuse
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: think I know I have to find sponsors, but I, the thing is though, I don't know if I can get the time off from work. They're giving me trouble about it. And,
Barbara Bray (she/her): which conference it is?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: it's a, hi. it's at, it's called oh God.
Oh.
Barbara Bray (she/her): of the Future?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: No. nope. It's at a high school. It's not. It's a digital, it's a Oahu, it's a digital media conference. Shoots. Shoots, shoot a basketball shoots conference. Yes. And I get to work with kids and they want me to come do my magic there and so
Barbara Bray (she/her): let me know if I can help, because I've done a lot of work in Hawaii and there's some people at the Department of Ed.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I just can't.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): the
Barbara Bray (she/her): yeah. If I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I.
Barbara Bray (she/her): it, But the, whole thing is, that it's a shame that it, that when you're working in a school, they don't see the power that you can share because a lot of teachers come to me and say, I got someone who's keeping me from doing this.
I can't go there. Here. I have all these things I love to do
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Right.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I just wish there's a way we could combine it. Especially now, people are getting burned out. They have, they're
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): and if we can help teachers at least shine doing something, I push a lot. the one I love is I kind of push, you know who to write her book,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know. I can't wait to read it. I have one. I got one. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): but I, me, it's what I do now because I love it. Anything I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. Thank
Barbara Bray (she/her): per anyone that has got this talent, be able to have that energy and time, but also the support. Say someone nudging you and saying you can do it,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: No, I think, it'd be great, that you've been doing that for me anyway, for years, but yeah, we'll, sit down and talk after this to help me get sponsors for this trip and
Barbara Bray (she/her): dollars,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: no, but other people do and they can, we have to figure, I figured I'll make a fun video and, help send me to Hawaii and me and my videos, I'll be like, beep.
Barbara Bray (she/her): yeah.
find Erika.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: That's not what this show's about though.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): no.
Barbara Bray (she/her): No.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): however, it makes me think of, oh my gosh, this, is so like near and dear to my heart. So I was part of the movement of teachers on special assignment, the, money that was available in California during the early tens and. That really they, there was this group of amazing classroom educators that got plucked
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): they were using technology in super creative ways. They were plucked and given responsibility, pseudo admin responsibility at the district level. And they were given, we were given this taste of. Of leadership and, we didn't quite belong anywhere. we weren't teachers, but we weren't admin and we didn't belong anywhere.
So we belong, we belonged to each other. And that's, and I was, I don't know if either of you got a chance to taste that era, or if that was Yeah. Barbara, you were a part of that. So what
Barbara Bray (she/her): I helped it.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): it
Barbara Bray (she/her): was working at CT a I, I was, there at ctap. Working at, yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): anyways, as you're talking Erika, and you're saying like, I, especially the way I could do both, like it, it makes me think of all of those educators now, some that are back in the classroom because funding has shifted. Others that maybe turned into administrators. There's men, some left, they just left the
they were like, what do I do now?
I've gotten this taste of leadership and I don't think I wanna be in the classroom. And I think about you. And how you're talking and I, know, we don't have to have answers, but we could just reimagine, if you could reimagine your role, would it look
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. You mean for my district or just in general?
Cate Tolnai (she/her): snap your magic wand, what would it look
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I have a vision board. Okay. I want a giant green rv. Okay. like the one that, the gift that's always on the rock and it's tilt. Okay. That's me. And I am going from speaking gigs to schools, sharing the breathing bubbles everywhere, especially in the islands of Hawaii. That was on my vision board.
I have to go,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): You have
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: just, I even have an idea for, a, foundation that could, be the big. Big bubble for all this, just mindfulness in schools, but also creativity and yeah, I mean it could go on and on. So I just, I'm ready 'cause I know I can reach more kids that way.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): And you could reach more
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that way and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. I wanna reach the teachers 'cause I'm healing them too.
They just don't know it.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I know.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I make.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I teach one unit of ed tech, one unit that California teachers get when they're going through their credentialing program, one unit of ed
Barbara Bray (she/her): Oh yeah, I used to teach that.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): thinking, I don't teach green screen.
What? Why not? Why
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Why not?
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that? what I need to
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Because it sounds overwhelming to people I know. It's just, it's, it's just a tool. It's a tool that can, do, so much more than just, it's not, taking the background out anymore because everyone's oh, you don't need it now. I'm like, you don't understand. it's a, it's an experience.
The kids were on it today and they were so cute. 'cause the ones often like quiet on the set, quiet on the set. the director gets to say it and then. They, get to help from all different parts of the room and they're all so into it, and I think, make history come alive, all these things.
I, I don't, see video background removal of putting them in the middle of the room or against a wall. It doesn't, they don't wanna do it. They don't wanna act. It's it's not, that's fine for like professionals doing like what we're doing here. You don't need a green screen. You could use.
Video background, all that. But when it comes to children and it comes, to that experience, oh God, you're gonna have me talk about it forever. So yeah, my dream is to really just be green screen gal and go do these things and have a team with me, like Barbara, people like that, that can share their love too.
'cause when we got together for our, the three of us together, that session about becoming your own rockstar breathing is in there. Chair yoga's in there for me. Barbara's piece. So beautiful in there. She does the icky guy and all that. And and we got Miss Firefly there doing her thing. And I don't know, I just think there needs to be more of that with teachers and with students, but yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I like your mindfulness. thing that I feel is that, you have so much to offer.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh, thank you.
Barbara Bray (she/her): that you really don't need other people. you need other people that to push you and help you and everything, but if you do your mindfulness like you do with your kids and have the kids, actually the teachers actually experience it like you do. I think you, I think it'll be so satisfying for you because you know
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: This is why I love Barbara. I'm gonna start crying.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You're gonna make me cry. That's not allowed. Go ahead.
Barbara Bray (she/her): No, I just, no, but for me it's like I am at a point in my life toward the end of my life, but I'm gonna be around you. Go.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that even
don't
Barbara Bray (she/her): no, I know, but I, it's that third chapter they talk about, God darn it, I feel better than I ever have in a long time because when you get this age, you can say anything. You
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You can,
Barbara Bray (she/her): you can. and the thing is that you realize what a waste of time I'd had at when I was trying to fit in and belong. Think I was belonging when I actually trying to fit into things I didn't enjoy. And if you do things that you're not happy with or don't bring you joy, at least. Teachers went into the profession mostly because they wanted to make a difference.
They wanted, they wanted to bring fun and joy into the classroom. And then I was through times with, no Child Left Behind, and I had to go work with teachers who I actually had, like School of Rock. I actually did things like we had fake. bulletin boards. So when we knew the leader was coming by to check from the district, we put them up.
We had buzzers and we always had fun. We always had
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Joy is the key. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): the kids were doing things. You wouldn't believe it what they did
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I would.
Barbara Bray (she/her): we had at that time.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: It's
Barbara Bray (she/her): that's
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: than this tech. It's the joy. It's the little kid in them and little kid in us, and yeah, but joy, ra. I'm a very spiritual person too. I teach yoga. I've been teaching yoga for over 25 years in Pilates. And I know the power of your energy, and I know how our energy affects others.
And I know that the fastest way to get to, to raise your vibration is joy. Gratitude and all that good stuff too, but if you can make a kid laugh who's having a tough day, you have just done something so powerful for their, for them. So this isn't just about a cute bubble that they can put their dog in.
This is about our, a lot more with the world today, breathing the power of your breath and how fun you can make it.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I bring up that our kids lived through something that we never did.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): when you think of COVID and they were isolated and then they were working online and then things, they lost relationships. There was all these things that happened.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: exposed to everything way too young. And bully. Bully, bully. Nature. bully
Barbara Bray (she/her): We.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: nature,
Barbara Bray (she/her): everything's happening. We need to bring that joy to teachers so they can
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: so they can bring it to the kids. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): need to make it so the teachers feel they're doing this,
bringing joy
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: yes, that's exactly right.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I, that's why I love what you do, Erika and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Thank you, hun.
Barbara Bray (she/her): the
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah, I know you,
Barbara Bray (she/her): Cate.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Cate. You're amazing, by the way. I haven't gotten to brag on you yet.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): my. Thank
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You're, yeah, you're powerful. You're very powerful.
Barbara Bray (she/her): like I said, you were on my show and I know a lot about you.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): you
Barbara Bray (she/her): the, thing that I feel is that teachers, some teachers reach out to me who are desperate. They don't wanna leave, but they're so but miserable and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh, I've been, I've had the worst years of my career, the last
Barbara Bray (she/her): I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: four, this year's.
Barbara Bray (she/her): talking
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know, and it's I felt so bad about it, but it was pretty traumatic, the traumas of the kids and stuff, so
Cate Tolnai (she/her): It's
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yeah. But I, know, why I had to be there. I know that I can leave now because it is taking a turn.
Our sixth graders last year with a turn. They were the first group of kids that aren't traumatized from COVID. 'cause they're just easy breezy. And even our sixth, new sixth graders easy breezy. And it was a turn and we all were like, wow. So it gave me this feeling of, okay, I can go now because they, but now I know why I had to be in it, Barbara.
it was awful. And we, and you know this, we had a suicide in, this, yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): it
that's, we can't lose our kids. We gotta do whatever
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: We gotta save them. And I feel like I need to get out there and do it.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Not that I can do it all, but I'm doing, there's so many, Barbara, you're one of those people too. And so are you, Cate, like it's, you guys know the feeling of you just can't shake that. I really wanna help and I won't stop.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: And like you said,
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: yeah, just gonna keep going, 'cause what
Cate Tolnai (she/her): it's,
changing. Yes.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: a ripple.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): It's not about changing the world. it's just, impacting even just one piece of that which could change the world. And that's enough.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Ripple. Ripple. Your joy can send a ripple, and it's,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know. Yes.
Barbara Bray (she/her): learning. the one reason why I started my podcast is I wanted to learn how to listen better and learn about the stories behind the stories. And what happened is I was blown away because I shut my mouth up and I actually could listen, because when I. No, I'm talking about for me.
No,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I.
Barbara Bray (she/her): but I, when I, no, But when I, started my podcast, I was, I had questions and I had times, and was only listening to reply and try to keep on schedule, and I said, this is not working. This is not like who I am. I want it more like this. It, I made it. Joyful only because I spend a lot of time editing and fixing things after. not the way you want a conversation to go. You want it to
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Know.
Barbara Bray (she/her): in any direction. And you also want people to feel like they're being heard. And if you're not. I'll just give you an example. I was on an actual TV show. I paid money to be on it 'cause I wanted to see what it was a radio show, but it also, they had tv and I wanted to see how it would be.
And it wasn't cheap just to see. It was the worst interview I ever had. He forgot my name.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): No.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: my God.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I know. I'm not kidding. He forgot my name and I thought.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: What? Why? Ugh.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): we're, some people are doing podcasts, some peoples are doing shows, some people are out there and they're really to pushing out the, I've been on several podcasts where they forgot to put my name on the, they put so and never said that my name in it and never put a link back. I thought you, gotta, if you're gonna have someone on, you wanna showcase where they're from. what I do to what I do with you guys is I make you with a, your whole story in, on a post all your links to show you off. And
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: It's like therapy. It's like therapy being with you. It's amazing. Like I, think about things and I. Feel like such a superstar after I'm with her. 'cause she does, she pulls out every piece of who you are, your story, how you got there, and just not just the cool tools and what you can do with them. Like Barbara, you doing it, you have changed lives and you've changed mine.
honestly, I so many opportunities because of you. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Barbara.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Barbara, do
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Thank you Cate.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): How do you get your, how do you, refill after you fill others, Barbara?
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes,
Barbara Bray (she/her): When they want.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: she dances.
Barbara Bray (she/her): I'll tell you the, I dance, but, something happened that was pretty cool is, and I, worked with Erika, was one of them they wrote their chapter, I had them, do an audio version of it. So I could have an auto, book with everybody and Ha Erika, we went back and forth, I don't know how many times because she didn't, it's very uncomfortable to read your own. It's really not easy.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: uncomfortable.
Barbara Bray (she/her): The thing that I loved about it is time I spent just with each of the authors after having them, listen to their story that they wrote and, it was so touching that each time I would hang up. Let go. just touched my heart that they wanted to put that energy in because I didn't think they would.
It's a lot of work and I got a note from Audible, just to let you know, I don't know if Erika knew this. I got a note saying that no one has ever done this before. We've never approved it before, but this is wonderful.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): What?
Barbara Bray (she/her): I just love
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: That's fantastic.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's a
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Yes.
Barbara Bray (she/her): No one's really buying it, but I gotta,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: They'll Now it's on Audible. Yeah.
Barbara Bray (she/her): want them to, but I'm just saying it's yeah, they are some people and we're getting reviews and stuff like that, which are nice,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I'm getting on it.
Barbara Bray (she/her): yeah, no, but it's what's so nice is the people that put the energy in on my shows on.
and working with Erika and Jerry. When we get together, it is just, I just.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Tells you Yeah, I'm the same way. Like I'll just go. And people ask me that all the time. How does, how do you feel yourself? I'm like,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I am. And I, know I have to practice what I preach, though I have learned that I need to start meditating. Of course my meditation looks like Netflix and like cookies.
but but hey, I'm Medi. I'm
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I got
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Netflix and cookies. Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): our episode title.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Oh, I have some good movies to share, but.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh my God.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): thank you both enough, talk about just chatting and just. you, I don't care. yeah, I had a couple questions, but that's just backup because, at the end of the day, what are we doing this, if not to just be ourselves And, the, relationship you two have, I think is just a, if anybody is lucky enough to have a collaborator and a thought partner and a friend like that is even close in comparison to what you guys have then Life is good and I think
sometimes we just need to pause
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: it is.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): say, thank you for what I have. Thank you for the relationships I have. maybe this is gonna be a lifeline for somebody that just feels isolated and so I can't,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I hope so.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): my God, you guys have said the same thing.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Oh
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: That happens a lot. That happens a lot.
Barbara Bray (she/her): it's, weird. It's
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know we, we have this. We have it. It is weird. 'cause we are
Barbara Bray (she/her): with her mom and dad.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I know. And it's just. And then, yeah, and it was really helpful for them. They're 85 and 87 and they just adored her. 'cause I talk about her all the time. For her to be able to, meet them was just life changing. So yeah. But we could go on forever.
Sorry.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): don't apologize. It's, lovely and it's an honor to just witness this and thank you for letting me in and trusting me with your story. I feel I, that
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: You kidding.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): that's not lost on me though, and I get it. I'm sure, Barbara, you feel the same when you're doing your podcast. It's like people trust you
Barbara Bray (she/her): Yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I take, that to heart, and I appreciate you both so much.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I appreciate you. I was so excited. Thank you.
Barbara Bray (she/her): this is what I love is the conversations like this. It means more to me than, asking questions and then people answering. I want more, so we can feel like,
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Now we go to one of Barbara's dance parties, so we will see you again.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yes.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: when are we, when can we talk again with you? This is fun.
Barbara Bray (she/her): it yet, so we'll just have to talk.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Oh,
Cate Tolnai (she/her): let me know. can I really share like all those pictures in the show notes or do you want me to pluck out a few because I am obsessed with
Barbara Bray (she/her): So
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I,
Barbara Bray (she/her): take as much as you want.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: yeah.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): gonna blow it up because your humanity, your honesty, just like your joy, like I feel like those pictures really capture it and I just, I thank you both for being you and being and sharing this, and I'm feel lucky to be in your orbits.
So thank you. And
Barbara Bray (she/her): Oh, Cate, I
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: lucky to be in yours. When are we gonna see her? We have to just hug her
Cate Tolnai (she/her): I want it.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: and it's pretty funny 'cause she's, it's like this. She'll be right in the middle of two. A tall person.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): We'll make a little Barbara
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: I can also give you my, breathing bubble lesson. It's a free lesson, so I will, yeah, I'll put it on the show 'cause that would be great.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): because we'll have the whole transcript and all your links and all of that. 'cause I do the same
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Okay.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): And so yeah, if there's any other links, that we dig up, we'll put in there and we can always add, more. But you're lovely and
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: Sounds good.
Cate Tolnai (she/her): for being a part of the bridge.
Barbara Bray (she/her): Thank you so much. This is wonderful.
Erika Sandstrom. @GreenScreenGal: This was fun.