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🎙️Ep. 10: Nurture the Spark with Dr. Sarah Thomas

🎙️Ep. 10: Nurture the Spark with Dr. Sarah Thomas

What This Episode is About

In this inspiring episode, Cate sits down with Dr. Sarah Thomas, founder of EduMatch, to explore how authentic connection and community have fueled her 20-year journey in education. Sarah shares the origin story of EduMatch — born from a simple desire to connect like-minded educators — and its evolution into a global professional learning network with over 200 facilitators. She reflects on lessons from her career pivots, the importance of giving grace in community work, and her belief that even small acts of impact matter, like the “starfish story.”

Sarah also introduces her newest project, The Softer Life for Educators, a community designed to help educators move beyond hustle culture and embrace balance, wellness, and purpose. Together, Cate and Sarah unpack what it means to lead with empathy, sustain community with authenticity, and find joy in both the 9-to-5 and 5-to-9 parts of life.

 

Meet Our Guest

Sarah Thomas, PhD is the founder of EduMatch, an organization that empowers educators to make global connections across common areas of interest.  She has spoken and presented internationally, participated in the Technical Working Group to refresh the 2017 ISTE Standards for Educators, and is a recipient of the ISTE Making IT Happen award. 

Sarah is a co-author of the ISTE digital equity series, Closing the Gap, the winner of the 2023 Maryland Society for Educational Technology Outstanding Leader Using Technology award, and the 2023 Leader of the Year as designated by the American Consortium for Equity in Education.

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🔗 Sarah on LinkedIn

💻 Sarah’s Website

 

Key Takeaways

  • True impact in education doesn’t come from scale—it comes from connection. Sarah reminds us that even small acts of kindness or collaboration can ripple out to change lives.
  • EduMatch began with a single Voxer conversation that sparked an idea to connect educators around shared interests—what started as tweets and hashtags has grown into a global learning community.
  • Find or create your professional learning network. Whether it’s online or local, connecting with others who share your passions can reignite purpose and prevent burnout.
  • From EduMatch to The Softer Life for Educators, Sarah models what it means to build belonging with empathy and authenticity—proving that mentorship, community, and balance are the real bridges that sustain our work in education.

 

Resources & Mentions

Sarahs Quote

 

Transcript

 

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Welcome, my dear friend Sarah Thomas to The Bridge.

Sarah: Thank you. Thank you, Cate. It's so great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): I have, I mentioned this, uh, as we were getting ready to record here, but you were a huge inspiration. You and the work you've done over the years have just a huge inspiration to me. I have long admired the way you are so, um, authentically committed to connecting people, um, and beyond a brand, beyond a job, you are just.

You, you created the EduMatch community and you were early. You were early on all of that. So I wanna start just by telling that backstory. Um, like how did EduMatch even come to be? I don't even know if I know the birth story. This is so cool.

Sarah: Oh yeah, absolutely. So EduMatch, started back in 2014.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: The story is that I was chatting with a friend of mine on Voxer. Because I mean, that was my Friday night to be social. I would just like

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Always.

Sarah: Yep, absolutely. And just have conversations with my educator friends all around the country. And at one point she, uh, started talking about gamification math and I was just like, my cousin used to do that, so I should connect you all. And we know this other gamification guys, so let's bring into a conversation. And I was just like, wait a minute. Is there something that will connect person A to person B, to person C, and just, you know, they're connecting and vibing and just seeing what they'll create together.

And so I looked and there wasn't anything that directly did that. There were the Twitter chats, there were Voxer groups and stuff like that where people were kind of doing it organically. But I did, I couldn't find anything that would like be like a matchmaker. So it was that moment that I was just like, okay, let me just go ahead and try it out.

So I put on Twitter what I wanted to do, just, you know, tell me about you, tell me about. Your interests. And I matched them up to hashtags and started tweeting about people every, I wanna say every two or three hours, and just kind of got them more and more

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh

Sarah: and established a database. And

Cate Tolnai (she/her): yeah.

Sarah: the database was being established and people were just like, okay, well do you have a Voxer group?

And I was just like, well, we're about to. So we started up the

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yep.

Sarah: And then. Everything, pretty much that came out from that moment on was through conversations with folks in the community. So that's, that's kind of how we got started.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): So what are, what are some like highlights when you think back to that chapter? Because I mean, a dream match still exists, right? Like it it, okay. And so I'm curious to know like highlights over the years and then what is it now?

Sarah: Yeah, for sure. So the highlights, I would say we made a few different pivots over our 11 years so far. 11 years and counting. So the first pivot was moving from Twitter as it was known at the time, to just kind of all social media and just connecting folks. And then we had, as you match tweet and talk, which was a Twitter chat based with a video panel that we did on Google Hangouts, on air.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's right.

Sarah: I would say that our next pivot was publishing. We

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Uhhuh?

Sarah: books, uh, around 2016 we started doing crowdsource anthologies, EduMatch, Snapshots in Education is what it was called. And we've still been doing what, we actually just had our deadline for the 2025 edition two days

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yes.

Sarah: Yeah.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yes.

Sarah: so that's been kind of going since 2016

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Wow.

Sarah: started publishing solo books. We've taken a little bit of a hiatus from that we're hoping to come back in a, in a few years, but we're, um, I'll tell you about our next

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Hmm.

Sarah: Uh, so we pivoted to professional learning back in 2020, uh, just when the pandemic hit

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: just seeing that people needed so much help. So that was our next main pivot, and that's pretty much where we've been for the most part. Tried to bring back a few of the things that we did in the past to definitely keep the community going, keep the organic

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: Um, but right now we are mostly living in professional learning land and

Cate Tolnai (she/her): So what does that look like?

Sarah: Oh yeah.

Yeah. So we've been doing professional learning on behalf of our partners. Um, we have a few different organizations

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: had the pleasure to partner with, such as Google,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Adobe.

Sarah: Tech, uh, Mobile Mind, Book Creator.. So we are connecting with these, these dynamic educational partners as well as, uh. IDEA in Illinois

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Uhhuh,

Sarah: um, just doing professional learning.

We do it mostly, right now we're doing it mostly on ed tech

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Uhhuh.

Sarah: our partners are ed tech, but we also have facilitators in our network, over 200 facilitators in our network coming

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Got it.

Sarah: And so we do. do all of it. We do the spectrum of education. So

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Got it.

Sarah: kind of where we are right now.

And we still have a few of the pillars of our community that we

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Uhhuh.

Sarah: hold onto. Like EduMatch Connect is a new tweet and talk. So we've been doing that monthly instead of weekly.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Okay.

Sarah: and we

Cate Tolnai (she/her): I feel like that's more sustainable. Yeah. Monthly. Yeah.

Sarah: Yeah. Because when the pandemic came and it just

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Whoa.

Sarah: us all, I was just like, oh wow, something's gotta give at this

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yep.

Sarah: so we had to do away with Tweet and talk for a while, but it just came back as EduMatch Connect and monthly is now the

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh, that's fun.

Sarah: you know, and EDU snap. We are keeping that in play as well.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Tell me about that.

Sarah: Yeah, for sure. So EDU SNAP is basically a time capsule. If you think about it, then people are submitting a chapter on what they're learning about or what they're

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: year. So we have educators from. We've had educators from around the world and different number of educators every year.

But you know, we usually get a good mix of folks and a good mix of stories, and we just compiled them in this anthology. And we have recently pivoted to include podcasts, um,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh

Sarah: of AI transcription. I know that right now we're using descrip, so

Cate Tolnai (she/her): yeah.

Sarah: so when you, when you use it, then you can like transcribe it and

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yep.

Sarah: of clean it up.

And so we've had a few chapters submitted that way, and that's been a really

Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's really smart.

Sarah: thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): You're,

Sarah: really great episodes.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): you know, Sarah, how. Like, your brain is amazing, and I'm not just like blowing sunshine, right? Like I, it's literally like I've, I've had the pleasure of being in your orbit for so many years and like I, I feel like you're just like, you just know where to go next. How do you stay connected?

How do you do that?

Sarah: Oh, thank you so much. And that is, that is super, super sweet of you to say. I would say that just, I, I honestly dunno, just, um, just listening to folks and, and the

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: they have and, you know, being like, I'm so. Still on, on Voxer and, uh, pretty active in some, some social media groups and just drawing inspiration from what folks are doing, um, whether inside of education or outside of education,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: I'm definitely consuming a lot of podcasts myself

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Got it.

Sarah: of seeing, seeing what folks are doing that, that might be applicable to the educational community, I guess. So.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): I mean, yeah, I, I, I think that's maybe so, so one of my earlier guests said, your network is your net worth.

Sarah: Ooh,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): And I know. And, um, and I'm like, yeah, that's, that's a good call. I, in fact, let me look really quick. That was, I wanna say it's Jornea.

Sarah: Oh

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Um, yeah, yeah. That was Jornea. Um, and I was like, oh, oh, yes. Um, and I feel like you embody that really, like even in what you just said, like, I, listen, I ask, I create like, I think you also create spaces that make people feel safe enough to open up and like that's a, I think that's a real gift.

And I,

Sarah: Appreciate that.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): yeah. I wonder like. From your perspective, um, especially like being dialed into so many different communities at like the the solution level, what do you think, what do you think communities need most right now?

Sarah: Ooh, that's a good question. I would say. I would say that we need that connection. We need the grace. Uh, good friend of mine, Barbara Bray, she always

Cate Tolnai (she/her): was just on her and Erica. Yes,

Sarah: Oh, I love 'em both.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): I know.

Sarah: Yeah. But she said something once that stuck with me. She said that we're not human doings.

We're human being. And that has always stuck with me because we have to have this empathy, this grace, you

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: uh, for, for one another. And I think that that's something that we need now more than ever, just with the state of the

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: um, just to, to give each other that, that grace and, and seeing one another as people as human beings.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah,

Sarah: yeah.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): and, and, and I think the challenge, so the challenge that I've seen too is as these community programs start to develop at. At a, you know, at a corporate level, uh, there becomes this need to quantify community, right? And, and measure community. And I've talked to a couple people about that, Manny and Andy, and people that are doing that work at, at a corporate level.

Sarah: Mm-hmm.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Um, you would never, I mean, you, you launched your own, like you were just like, I'm cool. I'm gonna do this over here. Do you ever feel a pressure to quantify or to like, to, to capture that story in other ways?

Sarah: So that's a great question and I feel like I always wanna grow, you

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: want to. Make as much of an impact as possible. Um, and not it, not even through me, but through the members impacting one

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: you know? Um, and for that reason then I'm always kind of, I, I am keeping an eye on like, you know, what's our reach, what's our growth?

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: things of that nature. But at the same time, then one story that really sticks with me is that starfish metaphor. Uh, so. There was a story, uh, you, you've probably heard it, but, uh, I'll just say it just in

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: not familiar with it. Um, there was a story of a man who was on the beach picking up starfish, throwing them in the ocean, and somebody came along and said, what are you doing?

There's millions of starfish here, so you're not ma, you're not gonna save them all. And the man said, I know, but for that one, that made a difference. So I feel like. As people, not to use the word save, because you know we can all save ourselves, but impact like

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Hmm.

Sarah: as individuals cannot. Change the entire world and right the wrongs of the entire world.

But what we can do is that we have that sphere of influence and we're able

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: all of us reach out, share our gifts and, and help make a difference in that way. So that story always stuck with me. Um,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: even if it's not like a hundred million people or whatever, whoever I am lucky enough to know and connect with, and learn from, and learn with, and grow with, then, then I consider that a win.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's incredible. And I, I feel like that's a perfect segue into your new community that you've launched. So tell us all about it.

Sarah: Absolutely. So

Cate Tolnai (she/her): And, you know, I already jumped in. I was like early. I'm like, oh, Sarah's doing something. I gotta go.

Sarah: I am so happy that you're part of it. Like seriously, just, just the more I get to connect with you, the happier I

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: so it's great to have you. Um, but it's called The Softer Life for Educators, and the reason it's called the Softer Life is that I feel like I've been defined for like the last maybe 15 years with the hustle and Grind culture.

Like that has been my life. I don't want that anymore for myself. Just being totally honest, I don't want that. My priorities have shifted. I'm now married. I have an amazing husband. I have a beautiful baby girl. She's no longer a baby, she's three. But for me, that is my priority. And I was reading or listening to a podcast or something and somebody. the statement that your worth is not defined by how much you do, that, that really hit me and just reflecting on my own. Journey and my own priorities now. Then I, I thought, okay, you know, I want a softer life, not necessarily the soft life, because I know the soft life is just like the life of luxury and ease where you don't lift a finger and. not knocking that, you know, and sometimes I do want that, but I don't, I don't

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Truth.

Sarah: entire life to be that. Right?

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah: there to be like some challenge and I want them, I want there to be some opportunity for growth and connections and things of that nature, and continuing to get better and level up, but not. Life being so hard all the

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: we have this softer life community. I wanted to start it the inspiration of it was like, okay, well how am I going to keep accountable? But the more I kept on talking to people, the more I realized, okay, I'm not alone with this. You know, there's so many people who are now feeling that just burnout and they just need. A place to, to just rejuvenate and rest in a softer place. So,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: um, that's the idea behind this community. That's kind of how we got started. And in it we talk about professional things, but we also talk about life outside of work. So there's nine to five and there's five to nine. Um, and in it we have challenges.

We just, you know, we just wrapped up a wellness challenge where we were looking at nutrition steps, exercise, sleep. Something else. I can't remember. Um, I think workouts, but now we're onto an investment challenge and we have members, um, teaching, um, doing live streams. I know that you have one coming up, so I'm

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Sarah: um, just learning from each other, learning with each other just to level up our lives. So I'm, I'm really excited about that.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): I think, I think it's so needed right now. And when I saw the, it, I love hearing this, like, explanation of it because obviously like I, I jumped in, like I said, 'cause I, I love the work you do and I love to just be in the orbit. Um, and, and I, I, I noticed it was different, right? Like I, I could feel it felt different and it feels different.

Um, and it feels. Necessary. And it's, it's kind, it's an interesting dichotomy because it's like, on the one hand we're talking in that, in that community, the conversations are about, like you said, the five to nine, right? Not so much the nine to five. And, um, I love that, by the way, and Uhhuh and, um, and yet we're plugging in to have those conversations about unplugging, right?

Like it's, it's, but, but I don't know how else he would do it, you know, like. So I like that you've created a space that meets people where they're at, but that, um, and it's on a totally new platform for me. How did you, what's, what's the name of it again?

Sarah: school. S-K-O-O-L.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): How did you find that? And what's, what's, what is that?

Sarah: Yeah, so there's a lot of, um, business people I follow online just, you know, for tips to how to

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Sure.

Sarah: you match things of that nature.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: one of them was doing a live stream, um, and he, I think he might be the co-founder of

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Uh huh.

Sarah: or an early investor in school. And he had like a deal. You know, you get. trial, you know, all of this stuff. And, and me, I didn't even see that because I had already signed up before he got to the free trial. 'cause I was just like, this looks amazing. $9 a month, you got me. So, I just jumped in

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: Yeah. But, um, but it's, it's really nice. I like it. I like. The functionality of

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: of it, and that price point, you can't beat it.

So if there's

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: community organizers on here listening, then you know, I would definitely recommend that one. 'cause it has a nice, nice, uh, functionality for the price point. And, um, it, like, it has leaderboards like automatically, it has like a, a classroom tab where you can put courses, it has calendar tab, and you

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh, that's cool.

Sarah: straight in there.

Yeah. As well as a community piece where folks can like engage. So it's like a Facebook group, but without Facebook and with a lot more features. So I really like it.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Which I think is so smart because part of, part of my hangup with some of, with joining in on some of the bigger communities is like it's pushing me onto Facebook because that really is like a community space. There are community pages on there. But I, I don't wanna be on Facebook. Like, like Thank you.

Thank you. No, thank you. Like, not right now. Not right now.

Sarah: Yeah.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Um, no offense to anybody who's there. It's just not my jam. Um, so I do appreciate that you have that option and, and I kind of like, makes me think too, like you've been really smart about, um, creating spaces that bring just rich, diverse groups together.

And I wondered if like. With, through all of your global collaborations and all of the connections you've made, like how, how has equity and inclusion and just belonging, like, how has that, I, I feel like, I ha I know the answer to this, but I would love to know from you, like, how have you been able to pri keep that such a priority through all your work?

Sarah: Yeah, totally. I just had the, the honor and privilege of meeting so many dynamic individuals and when I meet them then, you know, introduced to their circle and the

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah,

Sarah: to grow. You

Cate Tolnai (she/her): yeah.

Sarah: like, uh, oh, no, I can't quote, I can't quote Diddy anymore. I was going, to,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): No, don't do that.

Sarah: no, we

Cate Tolnai (she/her): okay.

Sarah: But

Cate Tolnai (she/her): We,

Sarah: in the notorious BIG song,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): there we go.

Sarah: is Tell your friends to get with my friends. And we could all be friends.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): There we go.

Sarah: yeah.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Nice pivot. That's excellent.

Sarah: Yeah. Absolutely. So,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): That's so fun.

Sarah: yeah, thank you. Thank you. But also, um, you know, just, just. Thinking about that and thinking about getting to know each other on deeper levels.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: always been, um, that's always been part of EduMatch, like having those deeper connections where we get to know each other beyond the surface and really establish those friendships.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: and you know, on paper two people couldn't look more different, but. When they really get to know each other, you know, and see how much in common they have, then that really builds that deep connection and allows for conversations that,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: um,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): This place,

Sarah: change, you know, to help transform people.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): yeah. You, um, you walk the talk and I'm curious, have you ever been, has any company tried to like, pluck you out? I imagine people want, want all of you.

Sarah: Oh, you are

Cate Tolnai (she/her): And how do you balance that? How do you, I mean, 'cause you've stayed true and like, I, I know we don't get to know all the details, but like, I'm kind of curious like

Sarah: I mean, you know, there's, there's definitely been some offers along the way, but I mean, the, nothing, like, I'm, I'm not gonna say like never ever,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): right.

Sarah: for. Anything to happen where, you know, edu match were to, you know, go with someone else, then they, it would have to be like a, A tight alignment.

Like a

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: Yeah. 'cause you know, we've, we've all worked hard collectively. Anybody

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah.

Sarah: of EDU match at any point has brought their own magic

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yep.

Sarah: want to honor that. So, yeah.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): And you do. You really do. Okay, last question. I would love to know if you could go back. Well, we didn't even talk about this. How long did you teach?

Sarah: Oh. Uh, I've been in education for 21 years

Cate Tolnai (she/her): How long were you in the classroom though?

Sarah: in the, in the classroom itself. Um, 10 years and some change.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Okay.

Sarah: in central office, 10 years and

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh.

Sarah: change.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): My gosh. Oh my gosh. Hence the hustle of doing all this while you've been working. Okay, got it. Um, so classroom teacher, Sarah, like if you could go back and, and like, I don't know, revisit yourself as like a second or third year teacher, like what advice would you give Sarah?

Sarah: Oh man, that was right when I was in the thick of things and I had

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Hmm.

Sarah: one foot out, to be honest,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): you Oh, wow. Why? What was going on for you?

Sarah: Yeah. Yeah. I, I was originally TV and then, you know, I, I came

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: certification

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: was low on teachers and I did a lot of learning on the job. You know, I was still very, very young and.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Excuse me.

Sarah: find my, my own way, um, as, as an educator. So it was, it was really

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Wow. Uh

Sarah: yeah, yeah. But

Cate Tolnai (she/her): oh.

Sarah: could go back and talk to myself back then, then I would say that, um.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): From an early

Sarah: Uh, I would

Cate Tolnai (she/her): age, Sarah has always been,

Sarah: your people. Uh, so, you know, back then we didn't have social media as we know it. Um, so now for any teacher who might be in the same boat, definitely find that professional learning network. And I also. Would tell myself that everything that I was going through at that time, all of those really hard lessons, they would serve a purpose later in life.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Hmm.

Sarah: me empathy to understand the situations that other people might be dealing with and really want to be there to, to. Give support to them. Um, so, you know, nurturing the spark of, of folks

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Hmm.

Sarah: are about the work, even if they don't have the experience behind them. Um, so. Uh, I would also tell her that you'll get through this, you know, you have a strong network, um, and support and purpose, and there's light ahead of you.

So if you really want this as she did, then stay the course and, you know, things will get better. Maybe move around if you have to, but, um, you'll find your people

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Oh my gosh. I wish you could, I wish we could all go back and like. Hug our baby teacher selves. You know, like young teachers need so much support, and you're right, like everything feels big, but keeping perspective is, is huge. Um, and join EduMatch or join a softer, softer life for educators. Get dialed in.

Sarah: Yeah. Yes,

Cate Tolnai (she/her): gonna make sure, we're gonna make sure to have links for all the things you shared in our show notes and your bio and your contact and phone. All the good stuff you gave me in that, in that form that I had you fill out. Um, but I just think the world of you, Sarah, and I'm so grateful for the time and to just, like I've said a few times, be in your orbit and, and you know, um, who knows what the next 20 years will bring, you know?

Wow. That's exciting.

Sarah: Thank you so much. And I feel the same. Like it is so great to, to know you and to learn with you and just to, to be your friend, like to be able

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Yeah,

Sarah: I'm

Cate Tolnai (she/her): I, yeah.

Sarah: So

Cate Tolnai (she/her): Mm-hmm.

Sarah: for everything.

Cate Tolnai (she/her): All the loves, all the loves.

Sarah: Yeah. I appreciate you.

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